Next
club meeting Monday 6th February
2017.
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Subject - Astley & the Circus (Tokens and Passes) By David Young.
Meetings are held
at the Abbey Baptist Church, Abbey Square, commencing at 7.00 p.m.
Notices
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Please bring your Auction lots for March along to the
next meeting and give them to Ian, together with a list of the items, any
reserves and – most importantly – some form of identification and an e-mail
address if you’ve got one, so Ian knows who the lots belong to. Close of play at the February meeting is
the deadline for entering lots into the auction, they must be handed to Ian by
then.
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Following comments about the auction from last year,
the committee has made some changes. There will only be 200 lots. Poor
specimen, junk lots and lots with unrealistic reserves will be reviewed by
committee to decide if there is a realistic chance of their sale so be aware
such lots may not make it into the auction. Reserves will be shown. Lots will
not be graded – it is up to the buyer to determine the grade. It is buyer beware
when bidding for the auction lots
and no responsibility is accepted by the club or auctioneer.Viewing will start
at18-45pm.
January Meeting
January’s meeting was given over to Short Talks from
Members. There were five talks.
Alistair gave the second part of his talk on Building Society Ephemera. Alistair
began the talk by pointing out that there are still one or two Independent
Building Societies left, with a picture of a rather nice Art Deco building that
houses the (still Independent) Earl Shilton building
Society. Since last year Alistair has added several metal safe boxes which were
used as ‘aids to thrift’ – money could be put in them but only the Building
Society had the key to open them. In addition he had a Year book and some
interesting adverts. Alistair has written to all 44 remaining Building Societies
with a view to looking at any archival material they might have but with very
little luck. Further back Alistair now has a collection of 19th C
certificates and indentures, on vellum, which can still be had very cheaply.
Alistair has estimated that there have been over
5000 Building Societies, based on some research he did into the popular Starr-Bowkett model for Building Societies. This model worked by
means of subscription and when sufficient subscriptions had been collected, one
lucky member (selected by ballot) got their loan. The scheme was outlawed in
the late 1890s in Britain but remained popular in Australia. A variation of
this was the Richmond model, which provided for the lucky people who won the
ballot actually having to paying more. A lot of building Societies were run out
of pubs, though Temperance Societies were also involved.
Next Alistair showed examples of Pass Books by means of which it is
possible to trace the takeovers so prevalent in the business and he discussed
briefly some of his findings.
For his final slide Alistair gave us an example of possibly the
longest name for a Financial institution – ‘The Third Bankside
Coffee Palace Benefit Building Society’ as mentioned on a wonderful vellum
Mortgage document.
Neil talked on his working life back in the 1970s. It used to be the case that
in accountancy, if you fancied a new job, you’d go to what passed for the ‘HR’
department and ask them if they knew of any of their clients who were
recruiting. Hence Neil found himself working for John Pinches medallists, just
after they had been taken over by The Franklin Mint. The factory was just off
Clapham High Rd. The business started in London in the mid nineteenth C, though
the original Pinches came from Birmingham. Pinches did everything, sports
medals, cup, military items, trophies for the competitions at Bisley, including one very large triumphal coach in solid
silver. The main office in London had a design department, Janvier
reducing machines, a die shop, a large enamelling shop
a stamping shop and a polishing shop. A lot of the equipment was very old, some
dating back to the First World War and some from the South Bend Lathe Company
after the Second World War. Pinches specialised in gold medals for learned
societies as commissions from Garrads and had their
own collection of dies for the jobs.
All of this was brought to mind by a reminder that
Neil had left a tin box on deposit with Lloyds Bank and now they wanted to know
what he planned to do with it. Inside the box were pieces that Neil had
acquired when Pinches were being modernised by The Franklin Mint, some going
back over a hundred years.
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Tony started collecting in 1944 and kept his early coins in a ‘safe’ similar
to the ones Alistair had been talking about. Unfortunately, when he went to get
the coins out, the Post Office would not give him back the original coins!
However he gave us a talk on the siege pieces of the Civil War. Making a
collection of such pieces these days would be a very expensive undertaking but fortunately,
when Tony started collecting them they were far more reasonable. They were
issued between 1642 and 1649.
There
was a history of minting coins in Wales because of the silver produced as a
by-product of the Lead mines and a mint was set up in Aberystwyth. At the start of
the Civil War the King was able to use the mint at Aberystwyth,
which later moved to Shrewsbury, then Oxford and so on,
while Parliament had the London Mint.
Towards the
end of the Civil War the Royalist towns were besieged and in order to pay the
troops it was necessary to strike coins in the town. In all, three towns struck
their own, Carlisle which was besieged three times issued coins of normal
weights and types, Scarborough issued cut plate of twenty denominations by
weight and Newark, which survived three sieges and produced halfcrown,
shilling, ninepence and sixpence all diamond shape.
In 1648 we had a period known as the second Civil
War. Charles I had been captured but there continued to be uprisings. Most were
crushed very quickly but an uprising in Kent by Sir George Lyall
ended in Colchester. Rumours of coins from this time are now considered
unfounded. The only coins known for sure from this period were from Pontefract.
They originally had a Carolus legend on them, which
was altered to Carolus II after Charles I was
beheaded.
Tony had brought along examples of several,
including a shilling from Carlisle. This piece was originally intended for
auction by Spinks but was declared a dud and duly bought by Tony. Upon checking
with the BM he found he had a genuine coin! His Scarborough sixpence came as a
gift from an American friend.
Gavin talked on ‘Nothing Much Happens in Girtford”, detailing events that took place there in the 19th
C. He started out by putting it on the map. It is in Bedfordshire, in the
Parish of Sandy, close to the modern A1 and on the river Ivel.
A 1904 guide book reveals it has a Church Mission group, a Primitive Methodist
Chapel a Post Office and the Swan Beer House. It also has a very nice late 18C
bridge over the Ivel “wide enough for two horse drawn
carriages to pass within muzzle touching”. In fact the bridge is nearer
Beeston. Nowadays it has a Co-Op and a Holiday Inn.
Of slightly more interest is that Girtford had
one of the shortest lived ever railway stations, opened in 1938 and closed in
1940. It was on the Oxford to Cambridge line which closed in its entirety in
1967. Gavin was once responsible for part of the line. There are even plans for
a new varsity line to be built, but Gavin doubts it can be done because so much
of the line has been sold off.
Perhaps the final thing to mention is that there were three suicides in Girtford between 1864 and 1869.
Gavin’s interest in fascinating Girtford though stems from existence of a 1797 penny and a
Northampton Penny token bearing the name of Girtford
and W. Knights countermarks on them. He came across the first one some ten
years ago but was unable to work on it until October last year when he came
across the second one on Ebay. His preliminary
research revealed there were several possibilities for the identity of W
Knights. The first was in the newspaper report about one of the suicides where
a surgeon Walter Knight was involved. A surgeon, however, is unlikely to be
issuing tokens such as this. The second possibility was from 1869 where a W.
Knights was awarded first prize for growing six prize apples! Much more likely
was the 1854 entry in the directory for a W. Knights blacksmith. One of his
claims to fame was that he was assaulted by his wife - an offence which led to
her being bound over. And who said very little happened in Girtford!
Graham talked on “Greek Coins – Acquired in 2016”. This
turned out to be a trip around Greece, as Graham had purchased coins from all
over Greece in the last year. The earliest coins made by the Lydians and Ionians were from about 615BC. The material has
always been considered to be natural electrum, diluted with additional silver.
An alternate theory has it that gold was refined from the electrum, leaving the
silver rich material behind. Coins were produced down to .15gm being 1/96 Stater. This system continued till Croesus introduced a new
system based on separate gold and silver coinage. Graham’s first coin was a
contemporary ½ Stater of Lydia silver copy.
Next was a 6th C 1/12 Stater from Miletos a great
seaport and one of the first Greek states to adopt coinage. The growth of
smaller denominations was brought about by business in smaller Ionian Greek
cities. Following this was a silver Hemidrachm of Cherronesos from
Thrace then a silver tetradrachm from Hekatomnos the Satraps of Caria. From South Western Asia
Minor we had a familiar silver tetradrachm featuring
Athena and owl, followed by Central and Southern Asia Minor and Cyprus bringing
us to the Macedonian Empire, represented by a tetradrachm
of Alexander the Great. Unusually, this coin had Herakles
a famous Hero –
not a God – represented on it. Moving on we come to Sicily and Syracuse, home
of Archimedes and described as ‘the greatest Greek city and most beautiful of
them all by Cicero. Here we had an unusual denomination, a silver decalitra. Continuing our trip around Greece we come to
Central Greece, represented by a silver diabol from Euboia. Finally we came to North Western Asia Minor and a tetradrachm issued by Lucius Antoninus and hence the Greek World begins to give way to
the Roman.
The member's vote was for Gavin to receive the Marc Myhill memorial shield. A well deserved and popular win.
Obituaries
It is with great sadness that we report the loss of
yet another club member in 2016, Tony Merson, who
died on Christmas Eve. He will be sadly missed. The funeral is at 1-30pm on Friday,
February 3rd at Aldershot Crematorium. Please let Tony know if you
are attending the wake which will be after the funeral in the Barley Room of
the Maltings in Farnham.
Answers
to Gavin’s Quiz
1.
How
much does a 1797 penny weigh? 1 ounce.
2.
Who
issued the last English coins at Calais? Henry
VI.
3.
Coins
with the legend QUOCUNQUE JECERIS STABIT come from where? Isle of Man.
4.
What
country issued a 1/48 shilling? Jersey
(1877)
5.
What
is “breeches money”? Coins of the
Commonwealth under Cromwell.
6.
When
was the British Florin introduced? 1849.
7.
Young
head farthings were issued in 1895 – true or false? True.
8.
What
is a bodle? Scottish
copper twopence.
9.
Which
mint is represented by D on US coins? Denver.
10. Black finish
farthings were introduced in 1896 – true or false? False – 1897.
11. Who designed the
portrait on the first issue of George IV crowns? Benedetto Pistrucci.
12. Silver coins of
Queen Victoria with a value of 1½d were used where? Ceylon.
13. When were the
first milled gold sovereigns issued? 1817.
14. When was a 50
pence piece commemorating the Victoria Cross issued? 2006.
15. When did the
mintmark H first appear on British coins? 1874.
16. What was the
last date displaying the French arms and title on British coins? 1800.
17. Which British
coin depicted Macneill’s Egyptian Arch? Northern Island £1 2006.
18. When were round
silver farthings introduced? 1279.
19. Scottish
shillings were issued dated 1938 – true or false? True.
20. When were copper
regal farthings introduced? 1672.
Future
Events.
Past Events
· In January 1977 members heard a talk by Nicholas Lowick of the BM on "Islamic Bronze Coinage, Mints and Mining".
· Ten years later George Berry talked on "17th Century Tokens of Buckinghamshire".
· In 1997 the January meeting was by Maurice Bull entitled "Halfcrowns of the Four Georges"
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Since then the January meeting
has been given over to short talks from members.
Club Secretary.